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Ryan Dunn Crash – Estate Sued By Dead Passenger’s Parents

August 10, 2012 06:48 AM by Lisa Princ

Ryan Dunn of MTV‘s Jackass was tragically killed over a year ago in a car crash as Dunn was traveling at 130 MPH, and later was proven very drunk at the time. The Ryan Dunn crash also claimed the life of his passenger at the time, Zachary Hartwell, and now, Hartwell’s parents are suing Dunn’s estate!

Nothing like waiting a year to decide that you want to sue, but that’s exactly what Zachary Hartwell’s parents have decided to do. The Hartwells are now suing the estate of Ryan Dunn, as well as the bar that Dunn was drinking at, claiming that the drunken Jackass star took the life of their son. In the lawsuit, the Hartwells claim that Ryan Dunn was extremely negligent by trying to operate his vehicle when he was clearly intoxicated. Sure, we agree, but we still can’t understand why it took them a year to figure this out.

According to TMZ, the Hartwells claim: “they’ve lost the services, guidance, and comfort of their son. And they want Dunn’s estate to cover expenses associated with Zach’s death, including funeral costs.” The parents, who are suing on behalf of their son Zachary’s estate, feel that both Ryan Dunn’s estate and the bar should pay for all of their son’s “pre-impact fright, fear, pain and suffering.” Rumor also has it that they are asking both parties to pay for all of the wages that Zachary would have earned during his life.

Wow, that seems like a bit much, no? I mean, we understand that they are hurting, but on the flip side, who forced Zachary Hartwell to get in the car with Ryan Dunn? Clearly, he either knew that Dunn was drunk, or was too drunk himself to care.

What do you think of Zachary Hartwell’s parents suing Ryan Dunn’s estate more than a year after the fatal car crash? Sound off by commenting below!

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185 Responses to “Ryan Dunn Crash – Estate Sued By Dead Passenger’s Parents”

  1. NoHumps Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 6:58 am

    So basically they are saying their son is blameless?? Was he forced to leave the bar? Was he then forced to get into the car? How to they know he was feeling any “pre-impact fright, fear, pain and suffering?” Maybe he was part of the reason Dunn was going so fast. Should Dunn’s estate should counter-sue for Hartwell egging DUnn on to go faster?? We don’t know what was going on in the car. This is just ridiculous. To presume that you know how someone was feeling when there is no way to back it up is crazy. Maybe I’m missing something and he made a frantic call to someone while he was in the car? If not, this should be thrown out.

  2. Ashley Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:01 am

    The passanger knew Ryan was drunk and still got in the car with him. Take some responsiblity and leave him and his family alone. People are so sue crazy these days, its ridiculous.

  3. Russ Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:07 am

    First off, I’m a HUGE Ryan Dunn Fan! He was and always will be my favorite CKY/Jackass member.
    BUT….Of course, the passengers parents are going to sue the estate! Their Son died because of the negligence of Ryan Dunn!
    Yeah, it took a year. I wouldn’t expect it to take any less time than that to deal with anything outside of mourning that tragic loss.
    They lost their kid!!

  4. BOZO's Brother SHMOZO Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:09 am

    Hey Prince you DA! They waited a year to form the trust and get all their ducks in a row with the attorneys. You must be stupid…..anyone can obviously write on here. I suppose you say “Like” after every other word. They lost their son because of the negligence of a drunken idiot. YES AN IDIOT>>>DUN WAS AN IDIOT AND SO ARE ALL THE OTHER NUMB NUTS ON THAT SHOW!At least he won’t be around to pass his genes on to the next generation! Darwin was right!!

  5. Kristine Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:09 am

    I think if it was supposed to be so obvious to the bar that he (Ryan) was too drunk to drive than their son could reasonably be considered willfully negligent in getting in the car.

  6. NYCKid Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:09 am

    Why shouldn’t they sue? It’s bad enough that this “Jackass” drove drunk but then to drive at 130 mph? Yea, obviously not the smartest move to get in the car with him but, he may have been yelling at this fool to slow the f*** down so absolutely his parents should get money.

  7. Kelly Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:12 am

    I feel that waiting was the appropriate thing to do so that everyone could mourn the loss of 2 souls lost and not make it a legal battle. Now that time has passed I feel the Hartwell’s need to be compensated for Dunn’s EXTREMELY poor judgment. Let’s not forget that this was the 2nd serious car accident that Dunn caused by excessive speed. He once flipped a car nearly killing Bam Magera and friends.

  8. Mike P. Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:12 am

    I would sue too and it probably took them a year to sift through things and realize they had a case. That kid was not behind the wheel and was unable to save himself at those speeds. I’d be asking for AT LEAST that much if I were them.

  9. Mike Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:13 am

    Its valid. Anytime you take someone elses life, you should have to compensate the family. Especially when you do it by doing something as stupid as drinking and driving when he could have more than afforded cab fare.

  10. JadeSun17 Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:18 am

    This is stupid. I mean I’m pretty sure the passenger KNEW Ryan was drunk, so it’s his fault, too, for knowingly getting in a car with someone who isn’t fit to drive.

  11. Steve Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:21 am

    I can understand possibly the funeral costs just because it was Dunn who was driving. But nobody forced that man in the car. You cant sue and win over grief. I can understand the parents are upset and rightfully so, but its not going to solve anything suing the estate for that much money and bring their son back. And why a year later??

  12. Patrick Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:23 am

    This is ridiculous! Im sure nobody pressured the guy to get into Dunns car. Hell, we will never even know if he is the one who was pressuring Dunn to drive so crazy! I doubt his family gets anything at all. Also, why sue the bar? People go to the bar everyday and get hammered and make the dumb choice to drive home. Thats like suing the state of Florida for getting a sun burn while on the beach..

  13. jon Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:31 am

    Thats ridiculous, I was thinking the same thing: how exactly is it Ryans fault that his friend decided to get in the car? I highly doubt Ryan was holding a gun to his head “Let me drive you home or else!!. T he bar shouldnt have let Dunn drive if he was drunk but i’ve never been to a bar where they follow you outside to make sure you’re not driving. The fact is that its their own fault that they drove drunk I was a big fan of Dunn but what can I say…he made a mistake that cost his life. For his parents I’m sure it sucks losing a child but get a life, they’re looking for an easy way to wealth and are willing to take whatever opportunity arises to get there

  14. Tony Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:32 am

    Because obviously Ryan Dunn forced this guy to get into the vehicle.

  15. brian Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:33 am

    By law of statute of limitations you have one year to report and make a claim on a crime. This depends on whose shoes you associate with being in. Lawyers will always ask for more money because court is about the floor and the ceiling.I am assuming this author of this article has never been inside a courtroom or had a case brought against them.

  16. Ali Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:34 am

    The Hartwells suing after a year makes no difference if it was nine years. The whole fact is; what exactly are they suing for. Suing for Zachery’s funeral and pain and suffering is justified. But for Zachery’s future earnings is over the top. You cannot exactly pinpoint a persons earnings for the future unless it was under contract; like a star football player or soccer player.

  17. Milo Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:36 am

    Tragedy equals entitlement in today’s world. Two people died via accident, alcohol or stupidity being involved doesn’t change the fact that it is noone’s fault who didn’t already lose the most. This is petty and ridiculous.

  18. mark Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    the author can suck balls – you go lose a child and see how you react

    ya ever think they may need a little time and not have to deal w/douchebags like you judging them

  19. Michelle S Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:41 am

    Way to judge a kids parents after they lose a child

  20. Megann Lee Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    Sounds like they just want money to me. Their son had a brain. It wasn’t all Dunn’s damn fault. Their son decided on his own to get in a car with someone who was wasted when he could of easily called for a cab, called for a ride, but no he didn’t. And waiting as year later? Yeah if you were gonna sue shoulda done it ASAP, NOT A YEAR LATER. Money won’t make your son come back and it won’t make you feel better either. Morons.

  21. For_this_only Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:47 am

    this kids parents are sick for trying to profit from the death of their son. he knew what he was doing when he got in that car. they should recieve NOTHING

  22. Carol Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    So not right! wages for his whole life…please! He knowingly got in the car with him and yes Ryan shouldnt have been driving drunk but they have taken this a little overboard.

    RIP to both men and I hope this can be settled for all parties involved!

  23. William Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    The law’s the law, whether we agree with it or not, it is within their rights to sue. If we want to effect change here, the focus shouldn’t be on this single incident but on the system as a whole. We should also provide some leeway to parents who, regardless of the circumstances, have lost a child.

  24. nathan pearl Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    As far as I am concerned, they should sue the estate for all they can get, then probably give half the money to M.A.D.D. or some similar organization. Or, if there is enough there, maybe do their own PSAs about it. If I understand correctly, Dunn had 21 moving violations prior to the event that killed him and Zachary, so he really should not have been driving at all, but that is more likely the fault of the courts for continuing to allow him to drive. Personally, I have had several friends killed by drunk drivers, and I find it indefensible.

  25. NICK M Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    I think the estate should be sued, there were two lives tragically lost that evening. Celebs or not, two people of dead, one was driving at an insane speed and caused both their deaths.
    Dunn’s estate has prepared for this inevitable lawsuit and now its here…
    The right thing to do would be to have a settlement to preserve both their privacy and to move on.

  26. Tim Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    I can understand suing for funeral costs and maybe emotional damages by the loss of there son but suing for there sons fright fear and pain and suffering before the crash is BS obviously there son was drunk enough to get in the car with Ryann Dunn he wasnt afraid or frightened. And as for pain and suffereing they were going to fast to feel any thing when they crashed. they should sure the bar though for overserving them both.I dont think a year later they should cause Ryann Dunns family any emotional pain or distress by trying to sue them for there sons own neglegance, like the article said no one forced him to get in the car.

  27. Jackwad Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Aaaaand Zachary Hartwell was in the bar with Dunn and NOT drinking? He was completely sober? I see no information in this article regarding that. Was he sober? Does anybody know?

  28. Shane Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    I guess I can see suing for the funeral costs and anything like that but future income and all the other b.s. that they have in their is a joke. Unless they can show and provide prove that he supported them financially or emotionally I don’t think they should get a dime. How do they know how long he would have lived or that he would have had the same career he had or even that he would have a long lucrative career. Seems to me the family only wants money.

  29. Jamie Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Using your rationale, every time I knowingly get into a vehicle with someone, I am actively condoning their subsequent actions. While it’s possible that Zachary Hartwell felt comfortable driving with Ryan Dunn when he was drunk, it’s a quantum leap to go from that to him being ok with Ryan driving 130mph drunk, additionally, any actions taken dy a driver of a vehicle fall under the ‘strict liability’ standard wherein Ryan or Ryan’s Estate in this case, is held 100% accountable regardless of culpability. Meaning, regardless of what anyone else (inside the vehicle) did leading up to the wreck. The reason why they waited is also because they needed the investigations to all be completed and 100′s of pages of information sifted through…I think it’s sad either way…

  30. Alfred Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    This is bulls–t!! The lawyer that conned this kids parents into bringing a lawsuit against the Dunn estate and the Bar(?!) needs to be disbarred. These two fools put a ton of people’s lives in danger by driving drunk. They knew the consequences, gambled against them and lost. What the hell?!? These parents dont have a cause of action! Once again, a case of wanting to get something for nothing- and no amount of Ryan Dunn’s money is gonna bring either one of those people happiness.

  31. Fred Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    This is a no-brainer. Scumbag drunk driver kills passenger and his estate has to pay up. Very simple.

  32. Tom Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    So the parents want a consolation prize because their son was stupid… If you are dumb enough to climb in the car with someone else driving who is obviously drunk, whether you are or not, you and anybody else forfeit any rights to what might happen to you. Sucks for his parents, maybe they should have instilled some commonsense when they had the chance.

  33. Tom Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    So the parents want a consolation prize because their son was stupid… If you are stupid enough to climb in the car with someone else driving who is obviously drunk, whether you are or not, you and anybody else forfeit any rights to what might happen to you. Sucks for his parents, maybe they should have instilled some commonsense when they had the chance.

  34. tim Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    What a horribly written article with no concept of how the judicial system works.

    First off – it doesn’t matter that they waited over a year to sue – that is their right. It has NO bearing on the validity of the case.

    Secondly – the damages they seek (pre-impact fright, funeral costs, lost wages) are ALL compensible and normal things to seek in a wrongful death suit. I have no idea how the writer claims they are asking for “a bit much”.

    Thirdly – It is not the parents sueing, it is the estate.

    Finally – of COURSE the victim should not have gotten into the car, and of course he should have known better, but this is COMPARATIVE NEGLIGENCE – so the jury will consider the victim’s negligence in getting into the car, and then reduce the monetary verdict by that % of liability. Simple concept. Clueless writer.

  35. John Harralson Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    They probably have been negotiating with the insurance carriers for Dunn and the bar since this thing happened. Many states have a one year statute of limitations for wrongful death cases. They were likely running up on that deadline so they had to file suit or lose the right to make the claim. This all about insurance money — not money directly from Dunn or the bar. However, if the value of the case exceeds the coverage limits, the bar and/or Dunn could be on the hook for rest.

  36. Joe Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    They should sue, and will win.

    There is nothing tragic about Ryan Dunn’s death. The tragedy is that he killed other people on his way out. Rot in hell you piss of shit.

  37. Kate Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    This article is horribly written and totally one sided. I mean the leadin doesn’t even give the name just describes Zach as “dead passenger.” In the first paragraph the writer notes that Dunn’s passing was tragic, but doesn’t attach the same to Zach. Instead, Zach is painted as the idiot that got in the car and his parents are painted as money-hungry, sue-happy people. Clearly the writer thinks Dunn’s death was tragic solely because he was a pseudo-celebrity, but gives a shit about the “dead passanger” in the car because he is not famous and was the one who made the stupid decision to ride with a drunk friend. Dunn was the one who made the dumb decision to drive 130 miles an hour – I doubt Zach had anything to do with that. Maybe the writer should go back (or go to) college and learn how to write an actual journalistic piece.

  38. Jack Hoff Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    I think you were drunk when you tried to write an informative piece of news.

  39. Kina Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    are they even sure Dunn was driving? after the accident (i dont remember) were both parties in the car still? Or are they assuming that Dunn was driving because it was his car?

  40. Joe Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    All you Jackass/CKY fans can go fuck yourselves. Defending this piss of shit after he murdered a friend? You realize he crashed in the same spot, doing the same shit, with Bam years prior, almost killing them both? Ryan Dunn needed to and deserved to die, but he didn’t have to kill others in the process. The deepest depths of hell is where he will spend eternity, and I couldn’t be more happy with that thought.

  41. Amanda Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    I understand their point of view, but honestly, their son was either not smart enough to not get in the car with Dunn, or too drunk himself to use better judgement, or most likely both. I don’t care how drunk I am, I will always call a cab or a family member to get me rather than risk my life

  42. nick Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Here we go. Another family trying to capitalize on their child’s death because of who he was with. The passenger willingly got in the car knowing Dunn was drunk. He was a grown up capable of making his own decisions. People like this disgust me and the lawyers should be ashamed of themselves. Dunn’s family has already had to suffer the loss of a loved one as well, but somehow these people feel they should be entitled to monetary compensation. All the money in the world won’t bring them back.

  43. Joe Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    This is one of the problems with this country. Everyone is SO SUE crazy. They are both dead, let it be. A terrible thing happened IT WAS AN ACCIDENT. The FACT is these people are sueing because he had money. Lets face it if they had died and Dunn was not a celebrity WITH money and it was his high school buddy driving they would not be sueing. Paying for funeral cost’s is one thing looking for what their kid would have made for money in his life is a bit much since they would not have made that money.

  44. Mercury Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    I think it’s a good idea. Once they win the lawsuit their son will come back to life and everything will be right with the world.

  45. Samantha Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Yeah like money will make them feel better about losing their son. No one forced their son to get in the car. People are consumed with GREED!!!!

  46. Eric Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Suing the bar seems valid enough. Suing for what their son could have made is stretching it. Who hasn’t drink and drove home. Thousands of people do it every day and night. I think the more reasonable lawsuit is suing the bar. I believe more bars should be under scrutiny considering the number of alcohol related deaths each year, if not month.

  47. Littleville Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    What a great way to remember and honor your son…Get paid by everyone in hopes of never working again. Sick of people like this that just want a hand out. If these folks need money that bad…head over to I80 by Cleveland..Lots of people there will give money away. And there all you need is a sign.

  48. Earl Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    How did the bartender know that Ryan was driving? You can’t hold the bar accountable. Zack wilfully got into the car. Case dismissed.

  49. GARY Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    That family has every right to sue!! Their son is dead no matter if he knew better or not. Hope they win! I agree with you JOE. Everyone on here are POS! I had a aunt get killed from a DWI driver. Go to a funeral and see how it feels! Fuc@ers!

  50. whocares Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Good riddance. I’m glad they are both dead

  51. Jon Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    This is a VERY common result in a situation like this. The Statute of Limitations in PA is 2 years for a personal injury or wrongful death action. The parents (or spouse) of the injured person had up to two years from the date of the accident to bring a lawsuit, which, given what happened, was inevitable. Ryan Dunn did two things immensely idiotic by driving drunk and driving the speed he did, and even more idiotic doing the two at the same time. He is unquestionably liable for the death of his passenger, no matter how stupid a move it was for the passenger to get in the car in the first place. The passenger is maybe what, 10-20% at fault, at most, for getting in the car with someone drunk? And very few juries would even see it that way. If the bar continued to serve Ryan Dunn when he was noticeably intoxicated, they can be held liable under Dram Shop laws as well, and have insurance for just such a situation. Despite the author questioning bringing a suit over a year later, this is completely normal, happens all the time, and is totally legit. The unfortunate part is that Ryan Dunn’s family now also has to suffer more at the expense of what their son did, since they were the beneficiaries of his estate and they did nothing wrong here. The whole thing sucks, but it’s not unexpected.

  52. Debra Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    As someone who lost their mother in a car accident, i can honestly say that it does take a long time for the police to do their investigation, then the insurane company has to do theirs, then paperwork has to be filed. As for Hartwell making the choice to get in the car, maybe he was too intoxicated to make a rational decision. Just like Dunn was when he choose to get behind the wheel and drive 130mph. I feel that Hartwells parents do have the right to sue for his services but not for what he may have earned in his life. Who can actually determine that? What if he turned out to be a bum? Im sure Dunn earned enough in his life that this wouldnt put a dent in the bank accounts. I have empathy for both sets of parents. No one should have to suffer through this. And by the way, Ms. Princ, maybe you shouldnt be so one sided. Do your research about these things first before you pass judgement. Hopefully you will never have to go through something like this.

  53. Jesus h c Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    well jesus says that hartwell’s parents are dumb! I mean christ im in the clouds as we speak and their son knows he was and ryan were wasted so yeah take it from me.

  54. Tom Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Glad Ryan Dunn is dead..call him dumbass now. Thanks for thinning out the gene pool Ryan..Guess 2nd time (wreck) really is the charm. Why could’nt Steve-O been in the car too..

  55. GB Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    The parents must have recently found out that the Dunn Estate was worth a lot more than they originally knew. As soon as they realized there was a substantial amount of money to go after, they went after it.

  56. Cole Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Say Dunn lived and only the passenger died? He would be serving a minimum of 5-10 years for manslaughter. Take wages lost of Dunn for the 5-10 years and give to the family well over a million dollars. You people have no idea the pain of losing a child who are protecting Dunn. Either way the family should be compensated. ((I know the big argument he could have called a ride)) Do you know anyone who would tell a TV star hey man your drunk I’m catching a ride? You are now out of the group don’t ever plan on getting invited again major peer pressure not to say a thing. Same goes for the bar that he probably spent several hundred dollars a week at.

  57. Kelly Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Ya he might have willingly gotten in the car with a drunk driver…but dude was goin 130mph! ridic, i hate speed

  58. dsblink182 Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    I believe that the funeral costs and a little bit extra should be paid, but I don’t feel that you need to go as far as a lawsuit to get that, I feel they are just being greedy at that point.

  59. Amy Meyer Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    I don’t feel that this suit has any justification in my eyes. I’m sure that their son was not 100% sober when this accident occurred. He was partying himself and sadly Dunn and his friend made a careless albeit drunken choice to drive after a night of hard drinking. I think that waiting a year is suspect in itself. Why didn’t they decide after the crash happened to do this? I’m sure that a lawyer who is trying to make an example out of Ryan and his drunken driving to make a name for themselves in the media. If this had been a private citizen that had no celebrity about him I’m more than positive this law suit wouldn’t be even a thought. I have been a fan of the Jackass crew since their inception and feel that it’s horrible that Dunn’s legacy is sadly that he died in a tragic way while being under the influence. I pray that this suit is found negligent. If you want to a sue the bar that’s another issue. But as far Dunn’s estate is concerned I think that it’s null and void.

  60. LisaP'sUterus Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Lisa. First lets talk about your point regarding how long it took. You have no point. It took that long. Perhaps they were still in denial over their son’s death. Perhaps they were waiting for the police to finish their investigation, which is common practice so that the attorney doesn’t have to do one. But whatever the case, it took that long. So what? Next, how do you know that Zack was not pleading with that irresponsible drunken dirtbag to slow down just prior to the crash? You don’t know, anymore than I know. But one thing we all know is that Dunn was a drunken idiot who was directly responsible for his death as well as someone elses. Perhaps your family would be more forgiving if you happened to stray into the path of that cruise missle he was driving that night and killed you. I think not. You reason like a twelve year old girl. You will make someone a wonderful first wife someday.

  61. Antonio Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Why is this even debatable? If you walk out into oncoming traffic, should you be able to sue the guy who hits you? Any logical person would say no way, it’s your fault for having walked into traffic (regardless of why – drunk, texting and walking, etc).

    Same logic applies here, you are responsible for your own safety. Why would anyone get into a sports car with someone who is super drunk? Would you walk into oncoming traffic with your eyes closed because your buddy was doing it?
    Or would should a criminal be able to sue his partner in crime because

    These examples are purposefully extreme and border line stupid just to illustrate the ridiculous idea of suing someone for something you knowingly participated in despite obvious consequences.

    Hey, sue the knife maker for making that blade too sharp!! Cut yourself preparing dinner!!


  62. William Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Suing for the loss of their son….i can agree to an extent. but no one knows the whole story. rather the passenger was drunk as well. should dunn be responsible for the death of himself as well as the passenger? by all means yes. he drank, he drove….and well over the speed limit. but also the passenger might have been drunk too. and if he wasnt, why didnt he drive? why didnt he take the keys. or why did he not say, “nah dude…im gonna chill and call a cab…or a friend” he didnt haqve to get in the car with dunn. now the bar? why sue the bar? the bar is not responisible for the choices the customers make. suing for the money the guy WOULD have made? come on….how do they know how much money the guy would have made? they dont know if he would have been a lawyer, doctor…..or maybe the next burger flipper at burger king. should they sue? yes…but not for what all they asking. like myself and many have said before….there were 2 parties involved. both made poor decisions.

  63. GT Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    I hope the judge gets in the parent ass, Did Dunn have a gun to his head telling him to get in? If he is old enough to drink he is old enough to say no thanks I will find another ride. Give me a break. RIP but come on…

  64. JH Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    YES, you can hold the bar responsible. Anybody that has worked in that industry knows this as fact.The parents have every right to sue the negligent Dunns estate.He was stupid and it cost not only his life but that of a friend

  65. Amber Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Joe had it right. They are only suing because Dunn had money. The only thing Dunn’s estate should MAYBE pay for is funeral costs. Dunn’s friends’ parents wouldn’t have got the money he made in the future so that is a ridiculous thing to sue for.

  66. Antonio Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    By the way, here is the likely “pre-impact fright, fear, pain and suffering.”

    “Whoa – awesome…faster faster!! This car is dope…”

  67. Jillian Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    I agree with that they can sue for funeral costs. He died in a car accident caused from someone else. I do NOT agree with them suing for the lost wages that would have occured in his whole life. That is just greedy.

    Both of these men made their choices. Yes, they were bad choices and they both died. It is horrible that they died but nothing can be done now.

  68. Dub Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    I understand sueing, but just for personal anguish and such. Not the fear, pain, etc. their son felt. And the wages he would’ve earned. And people saying Dunn is totally at fault, just stop. Noone will ever know what happened in the car. We’re they both enjoying going fast? Was one saying lets go fast and the other saying no. We don’t, and never will, know. So just let it be. No one made the kid ride with Dunn from the bar.

  69. scott unlisted Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    well, he made his money being a jackass and is now going to lose his money for being a jackass. life comes full circle, huh?

    speed kills in ballistics and automobiles

  70. Danita Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    The only thing that comes to mind is frivolous lawsuit….they waited a year to come up with BS reasons to feed their own greed….his pain and suffering really don’t count simply because, as stated before, he was so drunk and didn’t care, and knew the driver was drunk as well. At 130 MPH I seriously doubt he had enough time to get that scared even if he was sober.

  71. christo Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    How interesting that the parents of Zachary Hartwell decide to sue the Ryan Dunn estate now, after publicly stating they would not sue as there was stupidity on both Mr. Dunn as well as his son’s own stupidity. What’s the matter are you unemployed or didi some lawyer, two or three contact you & offered to represent you weith no out of pocket expense on their part. I choose the latter.

  72. casey Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    This is what is wrong with our country! Personal responsibility is gone, it is always someone elses fault. This was a tragic accident and I am sure devastating to both families, but there where personal choices made that led to the wreck. It was not the bars fault, it was not the estates fault, it was not the alcohols faut, it was BOTH of these guys fault, They made the decision to drive/ride wasted. I am sure out of respect Dunn’s Esate would take care of the passengers cost, but to sue for life wages, pain and suffering. This should be thrown out of court with the quickness!

  73. David Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Lol, they won’t get crap from the bar, that lawsuit will be thrown out, it isn’t the bars responsibility to make sure everyone has a way home, haven’t seen 1 lawsuit where a bar as been held responsible for something like that except when the offender was underage and in this case that isn’t a fact.

  74. Doug Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    I find many of the comments on here to be in very poor taste. To suggest that the parents are “only doing this to cash in on their dead son” is disgusting and shame on anyone who is suggesting it.
    Next, the often-repeated comment: “Nobody forced that kid into Dunn’s car, and he had to know Dunn was drunk.” Well riddle me this, geniuses, did he also assume that a drunk Dunn would go 130mph? Call me skeptical, but I don’t see Dunn as the type to disclose his planned idiocy beforehand. The drunk driving was bad, but the speed (combined with the alcohol) is what killed them.
    Why did it take a year? Because they just went though an awful tragedy. Because they were mourning and setting up a trust.
    And for that matter, F you to the author for questioning the motivations and timing of the parents. You go through this, and then see how quickly you are to pursue justice.

  75. Big j Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Im just glas this idiot is no longer on TV

  76. Jeffery Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Stupid ass money hungry white trash yuppies… Its your sons fault too, he got in the fucking car….. Deal with it…. Dunn’s friends and family are………………………………

  77. MVargas Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Life ensures death.
    Simply because it happened,means it can’t…unhappen.

    Don’t try cheapening their departures with BS.

    Pain and suffering?
    The wages Zachary would have earned during his life?

    Well…first – NO.
    Second,he’s already lived his life.
    End of story.

    He wasn’t going to live any longer,that’s why he’s deceased,now.

    (By far,the most ridiculous event ever to be tied to the Jackass legacy.)

    I have respect for the departed,I really do.

    Death is just apart of life…just accept it.

  78. stepper Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    I am glad we have Lisa Princ to tell us what the proper amount of time is to file a lawsuit. A year is too long. I am guessing if Hartwell’s parents had filed a lawsuit three days after the crash, Lisa might object that that is too soon. So the correct amount of time is somewhere in between three days and a year.

    Lisa, when your child was killed in a horrific crash at the hands of a drunk driver, leaving you and your spouse to sort through your lives and your child’s left-behind affairs, arrange funerals and memorials, deal with the disposition of his estate, deal with the media, and help his newlywed widow, how long did you wait before deciding whether or not to sue?

  79. Jamie Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Anytime a passenger gets in a car with a driver , the driver is automatically responsible for the life of all passengers on board.Dunn was negligent on 2 occasions.This one was the one that took the life of him and his passenger in a horrible way.I mean they were going 130MPH and Burned to death.This was horrific.Dunn is nothingless but fully responsible for this accident

  80. Toolman Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    If Ryan had survived he would have been jailed AND sued for his friends death. There would be no contest in either event. Agree or disagree, it is valid for the estate to sue.

  81. matt Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Parents do unrational things after they have to bury their own child. And honestly nobody has a right to an opinion unless they have lost their child. Especially this half a brain who wrote this artcle!

  82. Gwen Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Perhaps it would make some sort of sense for the passenger’s family to sue for his final arrangements and pain and suffering; but to pursue his “estate” (and let’s make this very clear, Ryan Dunn’s estate is now governed by a member of his own family so they’re suing people who were not in the car at all either) for all the wages he would have potentially earned in his lifetime?
    They’re taking their family’s tragedy and making a thinly veiled attempt to profit from it.
    If I lost a member of my family that way there would be no amount of money that could make it better, and if I asked for anything it would be help burying my loved one.
    Ryan Dunn died in that crash too.
    Leave the man alone and let him rest, he paid that ticket a year ago.

  83. Green Ed Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    It’s sad how low people can go. The Hartwell family should be disgusted and frowned upon. They’re looking for money…gold diggers. Yes their son is dead because he decided to get drunk at a bar and get into a vehicle with a drunk driver. Last I checked, Insurance covers that. Assuming Dunn was a multi-millionare, I’d be amazed if he didn’t carry a $1,000,000 liability policy not to mention I’m sure the Estate would have covered funeral expences without a case without saying boo. How dare you. You should be ashamed.

  84. breaXmyheart Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    If they would have sued right away, everybody would have put them on blast saying how tasteless it was. And I sorta agree. Better later than right after the accident.

  85. Sense Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    So their doing this so they now can say “our son didn’t die for no reason”. I hope the family is happy that their son is dead if they get anything. I don’t think money will help

  86. Eric Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    I agree that it was his choice to get in the car with ryan…not good to be drinking,makes no sence to wait a year to sue..its like a taking a wound and opening it up over and over again…RIP Ryan Dunn and Zachary Hartwell

  87. Jane Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    The Dunn’s should have insisted on paying all funeral expenses for Hartwell, beyond that, this is heartless behavior from one grief-stricken family to another.

  88. Emily Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    So it took them a year. Would you have felt better if they had ran straight to the attorney? No you probably would have called them an opportunist. It seems to me they gave themselves time to grieve and time to think in order to reach their decision.
    The fact is if he was driving impaired he is responsible for his actions behind the wheel noone else. The condition of the passenger is irrelevant because he was not driving.

  89. matt s Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    money wont bring him back and money cant buy back happyness im sure they will find this out the hard way.

  90. Adman Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Good on them…..Hope they take every $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!

  91. mark Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    i loved Dunn. but i agree. sue the estate, they lost thier child. what else is that money gunna serve? i dont think Dunn had any kids….

  92. timfoal Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    most people here maintain, the suit should not be brought on two accounts. First, that the driver in this situation does not bear any responsibility due to the fact that his passenger knew he was drunk and never should have gotten into the vehicle. Second, a year has lapsed since the accident therefor they have no right to change their mind and sue at this time.

    I couldn’t disagree more. First of all, almost each an everyone of us have gotten into a vehicle where the driver was legally drunk. Had something happened to you or a loved one would you say they were stupid for getting in that situation, therefor the driver bear no responsibility..? certainly NOT!

    Second, I am permitted to change my mind at any time. Perhaps they felt the pain will pass and they would let what happened be – but alas the pain wouldn’t subside and resentment and anger grew….did you ever consider that? perhaps you should put yourself in their shoes before you pass judgement

  93. Martin Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    I pray I never read another article by this so called “writer”. Ms. Princ, please go clean toilets somewhere. You are not a writer.

  94. Paul Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    I’m okay with waiting a year. Maybe they wanted to clear their head, discuss options with family and legal counsel, and then they made a decision. Their son is clearly partially culpable for getting in the car, but Zack is the primary “JackAss” for being uber drunk and driving at 130mph. They should recover some damages–it’s only right to get incurred expenses covered up to Zack’s level/degree of fault. Not sure why parents should receive his lost future wages–was he going to be taking care of them or something? If he had a spouse or children, that’s one thing, but his parents? This is our system and no doubt their lawyer is driving a lot of this. And the bar is always sued in these situations–that’s just our reality. People do sue too often–like the lady suing Justin Bieber for loss of hearing after attending his concert. Now that’s ridiculous. This lawsuit for the death of a son is clearly just and the Zack was douche in doing what he did–his estate should be held accountable.

  95. jess Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    i agree with those saying this is completely ridiculous and insane for the parents to be coming around, tryin to get a free ride out of life. a YEAR LATER. and imma stand by those who disagree with these insane parents. shoulda did something before but they didnt. its their loss. and their son was the one who made those decisions to leave, get in and ride it out til the end.

  96. TB Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    What an unfortunate situation. I have to believe though, that Zachary was probably drunk as well and also made a terrible decision. They were both adults and very aware of the consequences. Suing someone’s estate is not going to bring their son back or really even soothe the pain. Ryan’s parents lost a son too, and they aren’t suing the bar for serving alcohol. So Sad.

  97. SoulR3aper Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    Everyone is after money now or days! Next time you invite a friend over for dinner, THINK TWICE! THEY MIGHT SUE YOU FOR CHOKING ON A CORN KERNEL!

  98. raul Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    nobody knows anything, the guy could have been passed out in the car the whole time. regardless they were both drinking together or more like abusing alcohol at the same bar before the crash, someone should have stepped up and took his keys and talk some sense into the WILDMAN! as for his parents suing after waiting a year, maybe they needed time to grieve who knows. he should at least pay funeral expenses and medical but the whole wages issues . not so sure about that.

  99. andrew Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    They both were drunk. Dunn was driving and a star with money. They are both dead now and its Dunn’s fault. Sure I think the Hartwells deserve a little money.

  100. Tim Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    I’m going to come off as a bad guy, but if your kid is dumb enough to get into a car with a guy who is drunk you should NEVER be allowed to sue for anything. If he was in another car who got hit by the drunk driver, then you can sue all you want. My heart goes out to the parents, but you should not be able to profit off of your kids stupid actions, reguardless of who was behind the wheel.

  101. kat Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    waiting a year is ok , what should they of told people at dunns funeral? everyone still in mourning. now its a year later, their going thru the anger part now right? BUT going for your sons lost wages , that makes nosence

  102. catamaran Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    I hope they were trying to negotiate a settlement, but when that fell through, they had no recourse but to sue.

  103. Stan Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Whether Mr. Hartwell knew Ryan was drunk or not does not eliminate the bar or Ryan’s responsibility for causing harm, it merely mitigates the amount of responsibility from 100%.
    Who cares if the parents waited a year, maybe their grief lasted longer than the compassion Lisa Princ obviated in this story. Nothing like expressing your personal bias as a reporter!

  104. erik Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    why stop there? can i file suit and sue the parents of dunn for breeding? i watched jackass and will never get that 1.5 hours of my life back. they should all leave it alone. im sure zach was drunk too and if he wasn’t, maybe a counter suit is needed. lets all get together and do a class action because both of them are idiots and caused unnecessary use of public resources like police and ambulances due to their combined negligence. Im a taxpayer and want my money back!

  105. Jeffrey Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    I bet if this guy was partying with dunn, he was hammered. That being said, he carelessly allowed dunn to drive him home knowing he was drunk. Iid say the drivers estate is liable for the passengers funeral arrangements. But lifetime wages, on the other hand, is completely rediculous. I bet some lawyer propositioned them early on and offered a way to sue for money. And when that was offered, they initially turned it down. Get rich off your dead sons inability to be responsible. I bet it settles for a decent amount of cash, mainly because the estate probably doesn’t want to deal with it.

  106. Juck Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Lot of very stupid comments here. The parents are well within their rights and they will win.

    What Ryan Dunn did to his passenger is no different that if he’d gotten drunk and shot him in the face with a gun.

  107. John Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    They are going to get something, look at the Hogans, good example right there,

  108. StupidBABYBOOMERS Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    it’s simple…
    You can also say if that’s kids parenting was better he would have made a BETTER choice then to ride with DUNN..but he did and he is gone….
    But these reject baby-boomer parents want to ride their kids all the way to the finish line…
    Basically they are saying we were dependent on him to take care of us when we got old but now we have to go to an assisted living center…and YES YOU WILL!!


  109. Anon Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    They just want the money honestly.

  110. james Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    they are both to blame all hartwell had to say was no ryan and called a taxi and they would both still be alive dont put the blame all on ryan hartwell is at fault too

  111. Fuckoff Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Zach hartwell knew that Ryan Dunn was Drunk But the questiopn is was Zach drunk most likely would you step in a car if your friend was obviously drunk and you were more sober than him. Hell No so why would he it is his fault as much as Dunns

  112. alice Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    I think that the family should be compensated for funeral costs, but to make the estate pay for all the wages that Zachary would have made over his life time is absolutely ridiculous.

  113. Gil Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    What a Jackass

  114. Lockdown058 Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    They should pay up!I say $150,000 but them they will prob. want a couple/few Mil!

  115. Blockhead Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Ok sound’s to me after reading the article they lived off their son and still are trying to do so by sueing Dunn’s estate one person wrote maybe Zack’s parents took longer to greive so Dunn’s family didnt greive whatever their both gone sueing everone is not going to bring their son back it’s most likely gonna make everyone both families more greif..(Just one opinion)

  116. ange Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Pretty ballsy considering Zac worked for Dunn at his car place. Both widows now live together and as Zac’s dad said last year…. he knew both men drank and drove and were speed demons, it could have been either driving that night.

  117. carrie Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    I don’t think suing the estate will bring their son back…and to sue for the amount he would have made over a lifetime? it would have been HIS money, not theirs. I totally agree with Jillian (67)

  118. dot Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    anyone who has ever served alcohol at a restaurant should know that you have a responsibility not to over serve your patrons and to offer them a cab. not many bartenders/waitresses actually follow these rules, but the restaurant or bar can definitely be sued if an injury results from drinking and driving.

  119. voiceofreason Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    this lawsuit should never take place, the dunn family should be more than happy to pay for whatever they want. its funny that people are getting on the passengers family for suing when the drivers family should feel obligated to help in the first place, but they dont.

  120. Andy Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    The idiot who was driving 130 miles while wasted is to blame. Zachary may have been drunk also but HE WASN’T DRIVING. If Dunn had been driving at normal speeds, drunk or not, there’s a good chance they make it to their destination or maybe jail. Nobody dies. Dunn is at fault and Hartwell’s parents deserve every penny. The saddest part about all of this is that it wasn’t Bam Margera riding along.

  121. Thanos Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Ryan Dunn was an idoit. hope he’s in hell burning up…haha he’s such a dick head…RIP-jackass!!!!
    and for anyone else who likes that dumb F@#$ suck it. If he didnt care for others why would he care for you.

  122. Alexis Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    I am disgusted at the people, saying such stupid crap, such as “Ryan Dunn deserved to die” and words in that such of context. That is unnecessary and cruel. Don’t forget: there were people close to Ryan Dunn too. I’m not saying this because I am a fan of jackass. I’m saying this because it’s common sense. Yeah, death is a part of life, but some people CAN’T accept it. Why don’t you try saying that shit after a loved one of yours pass away? Maybe the family didn’t want to sue right away, and they were probably still in grief. If the man was sober, he should have known that Ryan was drunk. Some of these dumbass comments were pointless. But hey, we can express our opinions, right?? Whatever happens, happens. The author shouldn’t have expressed his personal opinion though in this article. Some thoughts just need to be kept to themselves. Damn.

  123. JENNA Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    i feel like the guy’s parents r wanting alot seeing as they or no one else was in the vehicle with ryan and the son …so how do they know if their own son was drunk or not but here is the thing ….. they r trying to sue for what their son would have made in his entire life but who’s to say he would have made anything maybe he wanted to not work at all ..in that case then his estimated life income would have been zero so they should not sue for that at all … and the pain and suffering ..how do they know were they there with him ….dont think so ..maybe that is why he was with ryan to begin with …TO GET AWAY FROM HIS PARENTS ALL TOGETHER …

  124. scott raymond Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    thought i would weigh in on this one.. by most of the peoples reasoning .. if i were to go to a bar and get beat to death by two drunks.. it would be my fault ..because i should have known that people would be intoxicated… please lead your lives with your brain and not your emotions…fml

  125. scott whitt Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    How is death tragic? He was drunk and going 130 MPH on a windy road. If anything it was inevitable. The tragedy was the passenger that hopefully died on impact and was not burned to death. Lot of you Jackass fans, fittingly named, seem to think that Ryan has no culpability in this. If you are driving a car you are responsible for your passengers. The bar is getting sued because bartenders are supposed to be trained to identify people who are drunk and make sure they don’t drive.

  126. Jeff Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Business as usual in this country, sue, sue, sue……RIP Dunn and Hartwell.

  127. SEClive Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    I work at a bar, it varies from state to state but anyone that has over 2 drinks at a bar the bar is liable..You people think you are free…nt…and the reason they are suing for his life time earning, is thats the only way they can sue his estate which, is where they are hoping to get millions.This law suit should be thrown out but it wnt…the man already paid the ultimate price his life..Enjoy bars now soon you wnt be able to drink like you do now,some politician in Washington will tell you how much u can drink in public but it will be for our benefit what a joke

  128. paul Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    It surprising that they didn’t cover the funeral costs already just to be nice. but I don’t see how they can sue for all of that other BS. I mean, friends don’t let friends drive drunk. He’s equally at fault for not taking his keys and getting in the car with him.

    as fro suing the bar… are bar workers expected to watch patrons and make sure they don’t drive away? what if he parked down the street because there was no parking close by, which is very common in west chester.

  129. John Galt Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    I agree with Russ. They weren’t able to sue immediately. This is what happens.

  130. isis Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    i doubt he was felt anything, it said that the passager died instantly. plus if he was so innocent why didnt he drive? this is about money, the parents are greedy and now want to use their son’s death as a cash in, plus it was stated that he hadnt spoke to his family in years. and his gf was the one who inherited his estate. sorry zachs parents for your loss but you cant use your son for money he knowingly entered the car with a dunk man and choice not to drive. and whar about Ryan’s family? did you ever think what this has done to them? your greed is bringing back the pain of Ryan being gone in a horrible accident. you have no ground for a suit. move on and let your son rest in piece, btw he had not worked in a year, so you cant sue for his possible wages.

  131. Charles McKnight Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    i think they were both equally at fault dunn for operating the vehicle and his friend for agreeing to get in said vehicle. since nobody else was actually there you have literally NO IDEA whos fault it really was for all we know his friend was the one who talked him into it. and for the family to take an entire year to decide theyre going to throw this big lawsuit asking for ridiculous things like wages their son would have earned throughout his life in absurd. i genuinely am sorry for the loss on both sides but feel the family is taking complete advantage of dunns assets, and going way overboard on what they are asking for…too much too late.

  132. isis Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    the fact that some of you blame Ryan is dumb, zach could have drove if he was sober, he was probably egging on Ryan to drive faster!! yes the bar is at fault because when they see a person is to drunk to drive it is the law to call a cab after taking their keys, but the Dunn estate is not. anyway the Dunn family paid for both funeral’s so i dont know what the Hartwells are talking about other then showing their greed and gold digging ways by asking for more, two people died that day, both responsable for the crash, either one could have driven home that night or not but either way they are gone let their souls rest in peace. Hartwells Zach had a reason for not talking to you, now i know you were after all his money. if you love your son let him go and move on with your life.

  133. Dominic Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    The author of this post is incredibly ignorant.

    When a family sues, it’s usually the last resort. People go through arbitrations and mediations. If the issue doesn’t get worked out through those situations, then they sue.

    That being said,

    I find it particularly repulsive that the “writer” of the article is actually defending a drunk driver and shaming the family of the victim. Lisa Prnic, you’re better off being a whore for a few dollars since that’s how much you and your writing career seems to be worth.

  134. Nicholas Lobie Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Ryan Dunn smoked a Joint with me..

  135. Jeremy Brown Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    It is very simple really. His estate should cover reasonable expenses as a result of losing their child regardless if he was aware or not of Mr. Dunns level of intoxication. Noone else was present and the passenger may have attempted to slow him down and plead with him to stop but then again, maybe not. Regardless, when someone drinks and drives, they and their estate should be held liable for any bodily injury that may occur as a result of an accident that was a result of their negligence. Period. Of course, the parents of Mr. Dunn should try to settle outside of court and make an offer of retribution, which would be the right thing to do.

  136. Simon Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    Maybe they forget that Dunn’s family also lost a son. Inconsiderate people in this country and for that matter all over the world. Greedy. Sad to see. They were friends and they got drunk and made a bad choice. Paid for it with their lives.

  137. Michael Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    He was reckless in his actions and should pay for their loss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  138. yops41 Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    Using your sons death to make money. Pathetic.

  139. kyle Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    Sorry for the loss of both families. But their son didn’t have to be in the car with Random Hero. It’s a tragic story but it is just as much that kids fault for getting in the car with a friend that drunk. Take your friends keys or have someone at the bar do it if he get’s rowdy then he can sleep it of in the cell that’s better than both of you dying or him dying…

  140. Big Will Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    No they should not sue and no they should not get anything more then possibly funeral costs. All who agree with the parents are idiotic greedy bastards!Should Parents sue the military when their kids die in action? Should parents sue the cinema and that psycho who shot up the place? Sue sue sue!! Thats what the USA is built on.

  141. Tracy E Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    I can’t get past the fact that your calling Ryan Dunn’s death “tragic”. One less dangerously driving, drunken Jackass in the world? That’s called Karma.

  142. Giselle Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    The family sounds greedy and vengeful. What happened to forgiving and accepting the fact that people come and go in this lifetime. Not everyone will die of old age in their sleep. That’s only for the rare lucky one.

  143. Kelley Bender Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    God ppl r so dumb just b/c Ryan Dunn was driving doesn’t mean he should take all the blame the other guy had 2 have been drunk 2, b/c other wise he would have taken the keys or gotten his own way home. Geez Hartwell’s parents need 2 stop & let them rest in peace….Noones 2 blame they both lost their lives….

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    August 10th, 2012 at 6:15 pm


  145. MorganGurl Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    A year later is around the norm…funeral expenses paid, yes, and honestly I think if they went to the Dunn Family themselves they wouldve GLADLY helped with $$ BUT to ask for money he wouldve earned for his entire life is NOT the norm UNLESS he left a child(ren) but then the suit wouldve been filed by “The Trust of the Hartwell Child(ren) but not for his parents..and for them to receive money for his fears, mental anguish and pain before he actually died is GOIN WAY TO FAR!! He might not have experienced any of these at all, he prolly didnt even know what was happening simply from the alochol IN HIS SYSTEM!! (which had to be as much as Dunn for getting in the car w him) If he had survived then yes pain n suffering is the norm…seems like to me they filed outta PEER PRESSURE from other members of thier immediate circle or vulture ambulance chasing lawyers who want the money themselves but legally couldnt sue themselves..I believe they didnt want to do this and thats why its coming now…Dunn was an alcholic and an idiot but if he wasnt a JACKASS STAR would there be a lawsuit? I doubt it…

  146. Whatev Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    They were both ass holes. Thank goodness they didn’t kill someone else who happened to be driving down the road.

  147. Ray Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    As much as it’s Ryan’s fault for driving, (however impaired to make that judgement he was) it’s not his parents. They lost their son too. I don’t see why the parents are responsible for their grownup son’s actions.

  148. George Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    What if Mr. Dunn had a warning sticker that said he was drunk and might get into an accident on his car? Would it then be legit? Yeah thought so you morons.

  149. Jerod Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    wow, stupid. The funeral costs ok, thats fine. The fact that they are going for “pre impact fear,pain and suffering” well maybe your darling angel son was cheering him on or so drunk himself he was passed out. The fact they are also going after the bar tells me they are just money hungry. Hey “iced coffee” doesnt say its cold on the cup yet when i drink it sometimes it hurts my sensative teeth. maybe ill sue starbucks for not telling me its cold. People will sue for anything they can now days.

  150. Jersey Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    As a parent, if I lost my son this way, I would have been so angry, upset, empty, etc as well but I would have sued the bar from the start. I also used to be a bartender and a server and I took it upon myself to look after my patrons. I’ve called so many cabs for customers that the next time they paid a visit, I made even more money. Waiting a year to sue an estate for lifetime wages? Really? What if he lost his job due to a violation of company policies, maybe he was bored and thought a career change would be a good idea, what if he got hurt on the job and became permanently disabled and had to rely on disability checks, are they suing for social security too? I know I won’t be getting any when I get to the age of eligibility. As humans, don’t we usually follow our instincts or our gut feeling? Waiting a year to finally decide to sue seems a little planned out almost as if they did research about Ryan’s estate or cases of the same matter and their outcomes. They make it seem that after a year or mourning the loss of their son, money will make it all better. Shouldn’t the parents have taken advantage of the thing called life insurance instead of suing? Zach was married, he should have had a policy so his wife would be ok if something should happen to him? I have a life insurance policy on myself and my son and I hope to God that I will never have to use my sons policy, ever. Zach was drinking too, want proof, he twitted a picture of them drinking. Zach was also in the Navy, I’m pretty sure he could of kicked Ryan’s ass drunk or sober. That being said, I wish his family luck with their case but I won’t hold my breath because it seems like a long shot. These guys were adults and made their own choices. Zach could have said ‘slow down’ or ‘pull over, I want out’ anything at all to get out of the car or not even gotten in there in the first place. Are Ryan’s parents suing the bar as well? I haven’t heard anything about it. What if Ryan’s parents did offer to pay for services and Zach’s parent’s turned down the offer? Both families lost their kids. Can’t they just let the boys rest in peace?

  151. Donotdrink Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    Sue. sue sue. IF you drink and drive you deserve to lose it all.

  152. Kevin Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Wow, it somewhat amazes me how little people know about the law. A bar is liable for actions that follow from over-serving a patron. Every state has some version of a law wherein if a bar serves an “obviously intoxicated” individual, the bar is liable for that “obviously intoxicated” individual’s subsequent negligence. It is part of the risk of acquiring a liquor license from the state: over-serve and you will be liable. On that note, the bar itself won’t pay a dime (other than increased insurance premiums). Every bar also has liability insurance covering this very thing. The parents sue the bar, the bar’s insurance steps in to defend the claim and will eventually pay whatever settlement is reached.

  153. Angela Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    This is nothing but utter and complete BS….The Parents need to go after the Bar…..They Both were intoxicated they both got into the Vehicle…No one twisted There arms..They both knew it was Illegal to Drink and Drve…its sad to hear that Their lives ended….But Thats What happens….The Bar knew That both parties had to much to Drink but Clearly the bar only looked at Dollar sign not THE FUCKING LAW…Just cause they are Celebretys does not give The bar the right to overserve Them…..Here in Texas You Have to be TABC Certified to serve alcohol and you if you dont follow you are subject to Fines and Jail time….and For That one person that asked if Dunn had a Family of his own the Answer is YES…He had a Wife and 2 Children

  154. Mark Stebbins Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Alright Zachary Hartwell’s parents!!! Way to try to make money off your son’s death. I’m sure he would be high fiving you both right now for your classless move. Yeaaaaaaa!!!

  155. Taco Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    Patrick is right. But also was the passenger drunk also? Was there any finger prints on the clothes of either the driver or passenger to show disutable evidence that showed any signs of struggle?

  156. Lonnie Mills Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Well, I feel that one year was a reasonable and normal time for any family to do the following prior to filing suit:

    Deny, grieve death of child, take control of son’s estate, plan funeral services, review the reports, oh their not ready yet, talk to a lawyer, interview and go fish for info, consider lawsuit, determine what amount their son is worth, will be worth, optimize and maximize his estate to the fullest (to honor the successes had he lived), do research about who you’re suing, hire private investigator, and double check everything, cross ts dot i and then sue. Now that can take 3 years easily.

  157. Bryan Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Zachary Hartwell was not forced into the car eventhough; he was drunk himself. He had the right to say it was too much. The bar on the other hand should have a cutoff point. The bar staff and partons were most likely star struck and let this happen due to Dunn being known for his antics on the TV show. It is a shame and the parents should only have a suit against the bar for not cutting them off or calling a cab.

  158. tim Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    its all rediculas you act like it was there first time driving drunk and if you believe that then ur an idiot they just didnt get so lucky dunn was into race cars and he had a porshe what you think they did everynight just so happens they werent lucky this night and the parents need to realixe sueing wont bring there kid back and stop trying to come up off there sons death

  159. Derek Law Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    I believe there was a grieving process that the parents went through. I consider that they weighed in all the factors and didn’t jump to any conclusions. They did not let raw emotion to dictate. I think that his estate and the bar need to be held accountable. If Ryan wasn’t able to make a rational decision not to drink and drive, and the bar didn’t know when to quit serving him, then it is a shared responsibility between the bar and him. The parents are entitled to almost everything they are asking. The judge will probably give them their sons lost wages up until the ruling. Define a lifetime?

  160. Jessica Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Go back and watch any old episode Of Viva La Bam or Jackass.. Dunn had been in so many car accidents that Bam and April Bam’s Mother both said that one day Dunn would die in a car accident..
    I think Its Bs that someone wrote on here that th guy wouldn’t except Dunn to drive 130 mph.. BS of course he did anyone around him knew he was unpredictable.. I believe the Bar should b sued for allowing him to leave. I myself am a Bartender and I would never let someone lave that drunk from my bar without making sure they have a cab or walking next door to the Hotel..
    I don’t believe Dunn’s estate should be sued becase that kid willingly got in that darn car knowing full well what could be ahead.. It’s a freaking Porsche I can guarntee the kid told hi lets see what this car can do.. I know this cause those words have come out of my mouth before and I was sober it’s the thrill of having a sports car..
    I believe the city should be sued because this wasn’t his first accident caused by wreckless driving.. I have a friend right now that can never have a sports car or modified vechile because of his speeding tickets and his accidents..
    I am not saying the family is trying to cash in but I do believe like them the Dunn’s are in sorrow too and feel badlyfor how both Guys died.. Idk maybe just rambling but the whole situation stinks

  161. Chris S Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    The only people who will win this are the lawyers. Also, I agree that “future earnings” is B..S..T. There is no possible way to figure that out. People who earn $60+ grand this yr may lose their job and be on unemployment the next 2. Present company included. Shit happens, its life. Don’t get greedy.

  162. Razz Wylde Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    I think I want to sue the Hartwell’s for being bad parents who didn’t raise their child to be a responsible smart adult. If someone else would of died in that crash Hartwell would of been held accountable too.

  163. morris the cat Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Live like a Jackass
    Die like a jackass

  164. laurent Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    I’m sorry but the parents are right. i got in a car accident and i was driving. i never forced my 2 passengers to get in the car but they sued me anyway. well, they actually sued my insurance since obviously that’s why we are insured. now, i never blamed them for that, i was drunk, end of story.

  165. Bnp619 Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    @mark these parents act as if their son is blameless. He was not forced to get into the car. They both where drunk, he was an adult, at the moment a very irresponsible adult. He put himself in that situation just like ryan did, they paid with their life. That should be enough. It is called consequences!If i were the judge, i would say half of the funeral expenses & they would have to pay the duns half. BOTH would have to pay for their behavior, neither are victims!

  166. bnp619 Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    OOO i get it, it is everyone else’s fault but his. Ryan dunn made his come with him, the bar made him drink, ryan dunn made him get into the car knowing THEY WERE BOTH DRUNK!!… yea great it is always easier to blame someone else!

  167. dumb Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    This is an example of scumbag lawyers caring more about $$$ than fighting for justice. It sucks that they lost their kid, but maybe Dunn’s family should sue Zachary’s parents for not teaching their son to tell drunk drivers not to drive!!! Maybe Zachary DARED Dunn to drive that fast drunk. I hope to God that they lose this case, and court fees, and their lawyers lose their reputation and licenses. Damn jews…

  168. Paul Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    sounds like z. hartwells parents found a way to retire early. its just tragic two young lives were lost with both clearly to blame.

  169. Samantha H Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    It takes a long time to get a case like this together. I can understand getting money for the funeral costs and grievances, they lost their child. They both died, both family’s will always be missing a piece of their hearts. It’s not like Ryan survived and they are placing blame on him in person and making him feel like s- by taking his last penny. I’m sure losing a child is the most painful thing anybody can go through, just because Ryan was famous and well known/loved people get pissed off when they hear the word “sue”. People sue for the most petty things in this world anymore and I think that losing a child is a justifiable reason to sue his estate. However, I do believe that the whole “asking for all the money he would make in a lifetime” is over the top, but anything that’s put in the media these days is gonna be OVER THE TOP. It makes me sick that people act as though they are effected personally by this. Everyone is allowed an opinion and I personally don’t think criticizing either party is right either. Both family’s lost a son & that’s hard enough to deal with. I’m sure his estate had enough money for everyone to live life very comfortably for the rest of their lives.

  170. Stacey Says:
    August 10th, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    Going 130MPH I doubt that there was any time for “pre-impact fright, fear, pain and suffering?”. Sueing for money he would have earned in life, that is BS you don’t know what he would have done and I can damn well bet that he was not going to hand over every paycheck to his mommy and daddy for the rest of his life. LIFE INSURANCE, That’s what its for! If he wanted you to have his money after he died he could have bought into life insurance. Greedy ass people. We ALL have choices, don’t blame dunn for your sons choice. Suing the bar is like suing Mcdonalds cause you got fat, grow up and take responsibility.

  171. Jim Says:
    August 11th, 2012 at 12:40 am

    WOW! Can’t wait to here the outcome of this “waste of money” case.
    There is no way anyone could have known what went in that car. How does one estimate how much their children would earn in their life? Can anyone even come up with a figure for that? This is about as ridiculous as the person that sued McDonalds for their coffee being too hot.

  172. Renee Says:
    August 11th, 2012 at 2:36 am

    Here’s the deal. Both men were drunk, neither was in any shape to drive. the bartender served alcohol to them knowing they were drunk. It does make the bartender and the bar liable to some degree, however the bartender didn’t put the keys in anyones hand nor did he have knowledge that the pair would drive after consuming alcohol. Dunne could have called a cab and for that matter so could have Hartwell. That being said, this was a freak accident. I am sure that Dunne didn’t go out to the car and say hey let’s wreck it and see if we get hurt. Chances are Hartwell was enjoying the ride prior to the accident. I don’t think his parents should be allowed to collect on that fact. If they want to ask for funeral expense fine, I am sure that the family of Dunne would be more then willing to accommodate that but they are getting greedy. Asking for payment for pre-accident fear and future wages? I really hope that they get nothing in light of their behavior. I don’t particularly like Jack ass and don’t intend to watch it, so I don’t care one way or another about Dunne, it’s just the fact that people need to see that their little boy was just as guilty as Dunne. What if Hartweel had been driving, would Dunnes family sue him? Probably not. Let them in rest in peace and leave them alone.

  173. Carol Says:
    August 11th, 2012 at 4:29 am

    The law allows a year (some states it is two years) after the incident to file your lawsuit. Typically this is to give time for the investigation (which in some cases can take months to get all the test results on the people, the car, the road, whatever needs to be tested). Also, it’s to give both parties (or estates in this case) time to negotiate a settlement. Obviously no settement was reached and the lawsuit had to be filed in order to preserve the statute of limitations. There is NOTHING suspect in the family waiting to file the lawsuit, it happens more than a fast filing actually.

    As for the lost wages, that too is common practice. Perhaps this man was helping support his parents…or children….or not. But, you ask for the moon and accept the stars. It’s how these things work.

    Once in court the Defense will argue that the parents would not have been entitled to his wages (but a spouse or child would be). But, if the parents can show the son paid some of their expenses, or helped them out, whatever, maybe they are entitled.

    Whether the son is partially responsible will also have to be studied by the court….was he drunk also? Was he aware the driver was drunk? I’m sure the lawyers will be seeking witnesses to their last hours in that bar….was the son matching drink for drink, or did he try to stop the driver from drinking more? We will never know what happened inside the car, but even drunks can suffer “fright, fear” etc. Once they determine how much liability he had for his own situation, any recovery will be lessened by that (hence another reason you ask for the moon…if you were found partially liable you can still get those stars, lol).

    Regardless if son was drunk, knew driver was drunk, etc…the fact remains that the driver was responsible for the crash and negligent in driving drunk and at such high speeds. So his estate will have to pay….the question to be ligated is actually “how much”.

    This happens way too often with both celebrities and “nobodies”…..it’s very sad that the rest of us can’t see this and decide getting in a car drunk or with a drunk driver isn’t worth the risk. Spend the $20 a take a cab.

  174. KJ Says:
    August 11th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    There was a passenger in the car? News to me.

    Horrible…but these things happen every day. We must be held responsible for our OWN actions. Sometimes, even if we are acting responsibly, it’s just our time to go.

    Suing won’t solve anything here. Donate his estate to charity.

  175. Chelsea Says:
    August 11th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    This whole situation is so stupid! God forbid people take responsibility for their actions, it takes either a drunk or a very stupid person to get in a car with someone whose intoxicated. Its amazing how people will argue on these stupid comments, clearly people need to get lives.

  176. rustyrobot Says:
    August 11th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    i really dont know what to think of this. i mean yes the parents should be compensated for the funeral costs thats totally understandable, but to ask for money for the pain and suffering before impact? thats a load of BS they want money from their sons death and asking for the wages he made for the rest of his life? thats even worse. the parents are just trying to make money off a dead son and thats terrible. noone forced hartwell into the car. im sure dunn didnt say “get in the car or im gonna kill you”. he had a choice and he made a wrong one. just like dunn. they want money for a sons own stupidity.

  177. Ogre196 Says:
    August 11th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Don’t blame Hartwell’s parents, blame their attorney(s). It is a well known attorney ploy to wait as long as legally possible (usually 1 year) before filing a civil motion. By doing this, the filing attorney makes it as difficult as possible for the defending attorney to prepare his case. The memory of any witness is likely diminished, the chance of any evidence being lost or mishandled is greater, and lastly it is a chance to drag Dunn’s family through the living Hell of losing their child all over again. Attorneys willing to file this kind of suit are only motivated by greed and they make their living preying on the grief and suffering of everyone involved. The Hartwell’s and the Dunn’s will never get their son’s back, but their attorney’s kids will have their college paid for.

  178. Cheetah Says:
    August 11th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Just wanted to remind everyone that Zachary was 30 years old. He was not a child. He was a husband not a child. Yeah they lost their son. But at 30 he had his own life and made adult decisions. I just wanted to put this out there because of previous comment about him being a child. He is way past that.

  179. JP Says:
    August 11th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    I agree with the majority here. Not your business and definitely not worthy of an article. GJ covering tradegy.

  180. Bridgette Says:
    August 11th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Not sure why it took them a year? Not sure why the writer kept saying this. Maybe the family struggled with the decision? They lost their son to an irresponsible drunk driver, then paid thousands of dollars to bury him, etc. I’d sue too. If Ryan Dunn had the money to drive a Porsche, I’m sure he’d have enough money to take a taxi home… I just don’t feel bad for this guy. He made an extremely stupid decision and ended two lives. Pure stupidity.

  181. Joe Says:
    August 11th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Lisa Princ, you are an idiot.

  182. jj Says:
    August 13th, 2012 at 3:00 am

    The following show features stunts
    performed either by professionals or
    under the supervision of professionals,
    Accordingly MTV and the producers
    must insist that no one attempt to
    recreate of re-enact any stunt or
    activity performed on this show.
    Let us look at that WARNING a little closer shall we?
    Was Ryan Dunn a professional race car driver?
    Was Ryan Dunn driving smashed under the supervision of professionals?
    I am normally very quick to be disgusted by greed and gold diggers who are lookin for a pay day…but this is a sad reality that I am ok with. I didn’t know Dunn, but I bet a sober Dunn would not have made the same deadly decision and would have been devastated had he lived to know his Jackassness killed his friend or another human being. Hopefully the Hartwell family’s “attorney” won’t be greedy to hurt Ryan’s family.

  183. Tom Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 7:46 am

    I think Ryan can pay for funneral.Zac’s parents need to leave it alone.Zac was not forced into ryan’s car, and he may of grabbed the wheel causing both to die.So Ryan could of dunn nothing at all.Hey what if Zac was driving.Get funneral paid for and then fuck off.Quit trying to get a payday because your son did not make good choices either.R.I.P Ryan and Zac!!Gone but not forgotten!!

  184. Chris Says:
    March 6th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    I fucking loved Ryan…but he was known for being a “jackass” and doing stupid stuff. Zack knew this…they both were getting shitty drunk together at the same place. He knew how drunk Ryan was and his reputation and still made the choice to get in the car. To me this SCREAMS that he gave consent and entered at his own risk.
    The family is just being a tad greedy. I understand that they suffered a loss, but they don’t deserve money. Just the cost of the funeral stuff, etc. Ryan’s love who shared everything with Ryan, is just suppose to be stripped of her love too and give up everything she shared with Ryan?
    Ryan was driving but Zack knew and didn’t care at all that he was drunk. The family needs to be a class act and only ask for funeral costs.

  185. Bo Says:
    October 1st, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    I know this is a old post but i was reading it and i have to weight in on it. First off it is a tragic thing that happened to Both Ryan and Zach. As far as a parent trying to come after what they are IDC what they say its about money and money alone. I dont seen them setting up a fund in there sons name to educate people about drinking and driving and the danger of it.They are usuing it for personal gain only and thats sad. The fact is Zach and Ryan both are to blame and not one more then the other. Famous or not if my friend was doing that stupid crap i would have punched him in the nose and took his keys ( which i have before) and they both knew what can happen and it did. Im not defending Ryan but Zach is a adult and should have known better. And im sure if Ryan knew what was going to happen he wouldnt have done it. The bar didnt make them drink nor did ryan force him in the car. he did all that on his own no matter if it was “peer pressure ” or not. Now if you or I was to get into our friends car and he went and robbed a bank and took off from the cops and crashed we both would be in jail no matter if i was in on it or not. They would tell you you are a adult and you need to take responsibility for yourself. And this is how this needs to be looked at.


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